It’s amazing, spam seems to make people think that there is no law except the law that we need to do anything against spam? Currently Spamhaus.org put the mailservers of nic.at the austrian domain registry on their DNSBL.
Not, because nic.at is a spammer – no, because they’re doing what austrian law enforces them to do. They don’t delete the domain, just because spamhaus says that it’s the domain of a spammer. In austria there is currently no law that would cover nic.at if they just delete the domain registration of someone without giving him the chance to defend this in a court. And i guess, yes – this is good.
Don’t get me wrong, i hate spam and spamhaus’ intentions are absolutely right, but they’re using repressive procedures and that is evil.
I counsel everybody using spamhaus to stop the support immediately. They’re using the power you give to them to take actions which are not right (in every meaning of the word).
you have to admit: nic.ats’ response “we’re checking legal methods against the listing” isn’t the most competent response from a registry (a lawsuite because your nameserver responds to a NS request?) .. they could have resolved it quietly .. they’re IIRC founding part of http://www.circa.at and behave lame if it gets to business ..
I find it morally totally ok from spamhaus.org – why not? someone buging you – eat that registry, your business terms and conditions suck. Fighting this shit has to be done in an aggressive way. ..
btw.: has nic.at changed their MX RRs? for me it looks totally ok:
lynix@fuckup:~$ dig -t MX nic.at
; > DiG 9.3.1 > -t MX nic.at
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER
lynix@fuckup:~$ dig -t MX nic.at
ok in compressed form:
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;nic.at. IN MX
;; ANSWER SECTION:
nic.at. 86400 IN MX 100 nicmx1.univie.ac.at.
nic.at. 86400 IN MX 200 nicmx2.univie.ac.at.
lynix@fuckup:~$ host nicmx1.univie.ac.at
nicmx1.univie.ac.at has address 131.130.3.106
lynix@fuckup:~$ host nicmx2.univie.ac.at
nicmx2.univie.ac.at has address 131.130.3.105
lynix@fuckup:~$ host 106.3.130.131.zen.spamhaus.org
Host 106.3.130.131.zen.spamhaus.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
lynix@fuckup:~$ host 105.3.130.131.zen.spamhaus.org
Host 105.3.130.131.zen.spamhaus.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
..
read:
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL55483
“This SBL listing is a pointer for abuse purposes, to draw attention to
criminal phishing domains registered *directly* at Nic.at and for
which Nic.at alone is directly responsible. This listing however does
not block any email as it is for the IP address “0/32″ (which of course
does not exist on any Nic.at server).”
which explains a lot .. shame on nic.at not knowing about their mx IP addresses (?)
as a matter of fact I learned about the issue from one who should know, so my comments should be qualified;
-) it’s not o.k. from spamhaus to blackmail anyone
-) as a matter of fact that’s really bad for the DNSBLs reputation
-) nic.at certainly knows what it’s doing.
@wnagele: which laws apply to a british institution doing business in the internet. if you have to keep up with all the laws regarding NICs while running a DNSBL, you won’t even start – since you’ll think that your job is to provide a vaccine for postmasters and not to deal with legal issues. There is no court or anything, there shall be as little regulation as possible. If you do not like ones opinion or service don’t use it/listen to him.
Me – for myself – finds it very convenient rejecting – in my opinion – unlegitimate traffic. If you take someones right doing so, or having an opinion on whose traffic is legitimate, we would face dark times my friend.
At the end of the day a DNSBL is just an entity you ask for an opinion if you agree with their policy.
“the sbl entry was changed yesterday night. regarding your posting “shame on nic.atâ€??. before it was a real blocking entry.”
that’s what I meant by saying
“-) nic.at certainly knows what it’s doing.”
thing is: if you provide mail-services for normal users you have to use them to life comfortable enough ..
BUT… see the statement by Spamhaus about this… very different story!
http://www.spamhaus.org/organization/statement.lasso?ref=7
So, according to Spamhaus, nic.at knows this is criminal activity and knows all the domains are paid for with stolen credit cards, yet does nothing… unbeleivable idiocy by nic.at